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So Red the Rose

  • 1935
  • Approved
  • 1h 22m
ÉVALUATION IMDb
6,3/10
233
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Randolph Scott and Margaret Sullavan in So Red the Rose (1935)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langue"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn... Tout lire"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn apart by the War between the States. During the war's darkest days she is sustained by he... Tout lire"So Red the Rose" is King Vidor's quietly-affecting Civil War romance starring Margaret Sullavan as a Southern aristocrat, the mistress of a Southern plantation, whose sheltered life is torn apart by the War between the States. During the war's darkest days she is sustained by her love for a distant cousin, a Confederate officer played by Randolph Scott.

  • Director
    • King Vidor
  • Writers
    • Laurence Stallings
    • Maxwell Anderson
    • Edwin Justus Mayer
  • Stars
    • Margaret Sullavan
    • Walter Connolly
    • Randolph Scott
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  • ÉVALUATION IMDb
    6,3/10
    233
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    • Director
      • King Vidor
    • Writers
      • Laurence Stallings
      • Maxwell Anderson
      • Edwin Justus Mayer
    • Stars
      • Margaret Sullavan
      • Walter Connolly
      • Randolph Scott
    • 10Commentaires d'utilisateurs
    • 4Commentaires de critiques
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    Margaret Sullavan
    Margaret Sullavan
    • Valette Bedford
    Walter Connolly
    Walter Connolly
    • Malcolm Bedford
    Randolph Scott
    Randolph Scott
    • Duncan Bedford
    Janet Beecher
    Janet Beecher
    • Sally Bedford
    Elizabeth Patterson
    Elizabeth Patterson
    • Mary Cherry
    Robert Cummings
    Robert Cummings
    • George Pendleton
    Harry Ellerbe
    Harry Ellerbe
    • Edward Bedford
    Dickie Moore
    Dickie Moore
    • Middleton Bedford
    Charles Starrett
    Charles Starrett
    • George McGehee
    Johnny Downs
    Johnny Downs
    • Wounded Yankee Corporal
    Daniel L. Haynes
    Daniel L. Haynes
    • William Veal
    Clarence Muse
    Clarence Muse
    • Cato
    James Burke
    James Burke
    • Major Rushton
    Warner Richmond
    Warner Richmond
    • Confederate Sergeant
    Alfred Delcambre
    Alfred Delcambre
    • Charles Tolliver
    Richard Allen
    • Confederate Officer
    • (uncredited)
    Stanley Andrews
    Stanley Andrews
    • Cavalry Captain
    • (uncredited)
    Leroy Broomfield
    • Slave
    • (uncredited)
    • Director
      • King Vidor
    • Writers
      • Laurence Stallings
      • Maxwell Anderson
      • Edwin Justus Mayer
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    3planktonrules

    Wow....most folks would LOVE to be slaves in this strange world!!

    Like so many of the Hollywood films of the era, this film presents a ridiculous and offensive view of the old South. In pre-Civil War southern states, the slaves are all shown as being very happy, well taken care of and in love with their masters. Whippings, forced sales of which broke up families and dehumanization are no where in sight in these movies...and because of that the films, no matter how good they are otherwise, are basically dishonest.

    In "So Red the Rose", the black slaves (especially the house slaves) are super-loyal and decent and it's only the wicked field hands that become 'uppity' towards the end of the Civil War. The message seems to be that without the war, everything would have just been fine!

    As far as the story goes, it's all about a rich antebellum family, the Bedfords. While the womenfolk stay home, the men are out giving their all for the South. It's all told in a highly sympathetic and melodramatic fashion...with lots of sweet music, tenderness and style. And, when the war is over the blacks are no longer slaves and are rebellious and ungrateful for the wonderful treatment they'd received from their owners!!

    The bottom line is that this film is very slickly made and well acted...and complete crap! I do not understand how so many reviewers loved the film and didn't seem to notice that it was also a complete lie. Strange.
    LadyRowenaIvanhoe

    Not What I Hoped!

    I have wanted to see this film since I was a teenager. It took twenty years to see it and it was not worth the wait. The plot lacked depth and there was not any real character development. The best thing about the movie was Margaret Sullivan. She put in a good performance on something that was dry and lacked life. Despite saying this, the film deserves to be available to audiences through VHS or DVD or late night TV viewing. All classics should be there for the public to enjoy or hate. It seems to have remained a film almost no one has seen due to the racial images and messages portrayed in the film. However, many viewers are adults and know they are watching a film from the 1930s.
    7bkoganbing

    Free To Do What?

    Based on a novel by southern author Starke Young, So Red The Rose preceded that other southern perspective Civil War novel Gone With The Wind into both print and cinema. There are many reasons why this film never became the classic that Gone With The Wind became, but at least it didn't glorify the Ku Klux Klan like Birth Of A Nation.

    The reason why Gone With The Wind enthralled so many people is that it both sustained interest for an almost four hour running time and created an incredible amount of interesting supporting characters, the movie and novel is definitely not just about the four leads. So Red The Rose never was able to do that and it's the difference between a reasonably good film and a screen classic.

    The action centers around the Bedford family of Mississippi and it opens just before the firing on Fort Sumter. Walter Connolly is the head of the Bedford clan and wife Janet Beecher, daughter Margaret Sullavan, sons Harry Ellerbe and Dickie Moore. Ellerbe has a guest in Texas boy Robert Cummings. And there's distant cousin Randolph Scott, distant enough for Margaret Sullavan to get interested in. Remember the President and First Lady at the time also had the same last name and were fifth cousins before they married.

    Scott's part is a combination of elements of both Rhett Butler and Ashley Wilkes. Like Butler he's reluctant to get involved in the war, but not for Butler's practical reasons. He has friends and relatives in the north and does not relish the idea of a Civil War like Wilkes. But later after the war hits home he rallies to the Confederacy.

    The treatment of the slavery issue is what makes most people dislike So Red The Rose and Margaret Sullavan's scene where she talks the slaves into not rebelling and leaving the old plantation. Listen carefully to what she does say if you watch the film. She concedes absolutely that slavery is at an end, but when Sullavan argues and quite persuasively, you're free as soon as the Union Army arrives to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation, but free to do what? It's not like the promised land immediately arrives, freedom means that you are free to work for yourself or for wages. She raises issues that the USA was unable to grapple with during Reconstruction for a whole lot of reasons. In fact the plight of the slaves is dealt with more in So Red The Rose than in Gone With The Wind and better dealt with than in Birth Of A Nation.

    In a recent book on Margaret Sullavan author Lawrence Quirk said that Sullavan at one time or another tried to get things going with Randolph Scott, Bob Cummings, Charles Starrett and Johnny Downs who were all in the cast. Rumors were flying so about what was happening off the set that Sullavan's then husband William Wyler asked his colleague King Vidor to step in to which Vidor politely and firmly decided he was not getting involved in any cast member's personal business. Sullavan could be difficult to work with.

    She also was not crazy about Randolph Scott either as actor or the fact he declined her offers and maybe one influenced the other. Now Scott was not as good here as the Randy Scott we knew later on in his classic westerns, but as a Virginia born southerner he fit his role fine. Margaret decried his lack of historical knowledge, but from what I've heard about Randolph Scott his favorite reading was the financial page in the newspaper. He invested shrewdly and became one of the wealthiest actors in Hollywood.

    So Red The Rose tanked at the box office leading cynical Paramount executives to call it So Red The Ink. The movie-going public just wasn't ready for a Civil War epic. But seen today it isn't as bad as its reputation would have it.
    theowinthrop

    A Preliminary Sketch for GWTW

    I saw this film on television (channel 21 I believe) back in the 1980s. It was okay, and (given the standards of racial stereotypes in 1935)actually ahead of its time in one scene. Otherwise, it is a pale sketch for Gone With The Wind. I think the reason is that whatever failings on racial grounds haunt us regarding Margaret Mitchell's novel, Miss Mitchell created memorable characters in Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler (and yes, even in Mammy)while the screenplay writers and the novelist who wrote SO RED THE ROSE did not do so. Also, the disasters facing Margaret Sullivan's world (while ruinous) are not as visually nightmarish to us as Scarlet's finding her father insane and her mother dead, or of seeing Atlanta burn. There are moments in SO RED that subtly show the size of the disaster - the death of the weakened defeated Walter Conolly, as he returns home in his carriage, for example. But while sad, it just does not hold a candle to the collapse of the ante-bellum Atlanta in GWTW.

    The one moment that does stand out (and stands out against the normal racist rubbish of the 1930s) was when Sullivan confronts her slaves, who have heard the Yankee troops are approaching and they may be free. She tries to control them with reminders of how good her family was to them (although - tellingly - she slaps one who dare suggests its wasn't all that great). But further bad news reaches her, and she collapses. The slaves look at her - and walk away to desert the plantation. No scene like that is in GWTW, but I suspect it happened far more frequently than Margaret Mitchell would have preferred to have know of.
    6blanche-2

    pre-GWTW antebellum

    So Red the Rose is yet another civil war drama, this time from Paramount, and starring Margaret Sullavan, Randolph Scott, Elizabeth Patterson, Janet Beecher, Walter Connolly, and Robert Cummings. I guess I never realized that Cummings started out so early, and in small roles. He's not very good.

    This family, the Bedfords, has it a little tougher than the Tara group, though what went on in GWTW was pretty harrowing. This film focuses on the loss of family members, and slaves rebelling, although the family is shown here as being loving and supportive.

    Their treatment is very typical Hollywood, though it is true that some slaves were well treated, learned to read, etc., which is no justification for it. But they want their freedom, and they hear it's coming. On the day the rebellion was filmed, 500 African Americans were needed. So it was filmed during a city-wide "Maid's Day Off" in Los Angeles.

    What Sullavan says to the slaves who want to quit is interesting and actually realistic. Slavery, she says, is at an end, and you'll be free. But what are you free to do? Are you promised land? Freedom means you work for wages or for yourself.

    This actually is a good handle on the issues faced during Reconstruction. This topic is not shied away from in "So Red the Rose" at all.

    In the beginning, I almost turned this off because it was so over the top. Margaret Sullavan as Vallette flounces around in what looks like a parody of an antebellum gown. And the accents - yikes. Cummings is a friend of Vallette's brother - his performance is just too big.

    Randolph Scott plays a distant cousin who objects to the war and refuses to fight. Vallette is in love with him, but he is focused on other things.

    All in all, a darker film, though one is less attached to the characters as we are in Gone with the Wind. What I like about both Wind and Rose is that it shows that the way of life of southerners changed within minutes. And they weren't prepared for what it meant.

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      One of over 700 Paramount Productions, filmed between 1929 and 194; its, which were sold to MCA/Universal in 1958 for television distribution, and have been owned and controlled by Universal ever since; its earliest documented telecast took place in Seattle Tuesday 24 March 1959 on KIRO (Channel 7); it first aired in Boston 6 December 1959 on WBZ (Channel 4).
    • Gaffes
      At about 52 mins, a pickup truck can be seen driving slowly in the distance, followed by a horse-drawn vehicle.
    • Connexions
      Featured in Black Shadows on a Silver Screen (1975)

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    • Date de sortie
      • 20 décembre 1935 (United States)
    • Pays d’origine
      • United States
    • Langue
      • English
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • La rosa del sur
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Paramount Studios - 5555 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood, Los Angeles, Californie, États-Unis(Studio)
    • société de production
      • Paramount Pictures
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    • Durée
      1 heure 22 minutes
    • Couleur
      • Black and White
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.37 : 1

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