We know that being kind to our gut biome is crucial to our health, but what about the trillion happy helpers (or not) on our skin, in our lungs, our ears, our mouths… the things we slaughter daily with the ‘cleaning products’ we splash around our homes.  What if there was a better way to keep things clean that wasn’t toxic to us and the tiny lives on whom our health depends?  Joe Flanagan works at the cutting edge of change, helping us shape the world for a flourishing future. Human health and the health of our planet are intimately interwoven - we established this with Dr Jenny Goodman a few weeks ago, when she unpicked for us the many, many ways we are poisoning ourselves by what's in our food, our water, our air… One of the things she touched on was the environmental toxins we unwittingly spray, shake and flush all over our house and into the waterways - things we not only don't need, but which are doing us active harm. If I was smart, I'd say this was the impetus for today's podcast, but in fact, I heard Joe Flanagan months ago on Viki French's 'PupTalk' podcast and that was long before I read Jenny's book.  Joe is one of those people who is podcasting gold - he has the most gorgeous Irish accent and he's completely on top of his topic: which is the biome - the trillions of microorganisms that are essential to our lives and to the greater living biosphere.  We've talked quite a lot about the gut biome on the podcast, but this is the first time I've had the chance really to sit down and explore the world with someone who specialises in the surface biomes - of our skin, our mouth, our ears, our lungs.  As you'll hear, Joe started off working on air quality - how to make the air we breathe safe for us when the external air is so full of things we truly don't want to be breathing in.  But gradually, his work has shifted until now he is one of the founders of Ingenious Probiotics, which sells to pet owners the things they need to help keep gums, skin and ears health. He sells things to wash our hands and our floors with, washing up liquid, as well as topical sprays for the animals - all predicated on the understanding that killing bacteria is a really bad idea and what you want instead is to provide the right bacteria to out-compete the pathogenic ones.  Joe is a font of information and this was a unique opportunity to sit down with someone right at the cutting edge of transformation. We talked everything from canine aural surgery to human behaviour and the corruption endemic in our health systems. Above all, he understands that if each of us changes our behaviour - if we actively choose to stop poisoning the planet that is our home - and stop poisoning ourselves and those we care most about at the same time - we can make radical improvements in the way our system works. Joe is the Owner of Ingenious Pet Probiotics https://ingenious-probiotics.com/Joe on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-flanagan/Ingenious Probiotic products are not a medicine or medical device - if in any doubt, always consult your vet.Any Human Power Book Club Sunday 15th September 6-8pm UK time (BST) https://accidentalgods.life/any-human-power-discussion/Pup Talk Podcast with Vicky French https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/pup-talk-the-podcast/id1525563393